[Plug-webdev] Referrers Denied to plug.phoenix.az.us

[Lisa Kachold]

I used to setup and promote PLUG (and ABLEconf) events (all these
months) via my DNS for PLUG and entered various EASYURLS to graphics,
etc. that were used to promote the groups or events.

Now suddenly URL referrers are not allowed from obnosis.com even if
use an A record, or CNAME rather than a webhop.

Other domains (I work for/or with) still seem to work with/to
plug.phoenix.az.us?

Is this a bug or a feature? I mean if I was blocked for high hit
traffic, that's a good thing?

I don't have to use my domain name, but for a long time I had
insufficient access for support for the PLUG on the site and needed
places for files, presentation materials, graphics and historical
materials. I setup a drupal 6 with OpenID on 110mb.com but they kept
crashing it and I moved everything to a better hosting provider
concentrating on rebuilding the current security challenged debian
server and upgrading to Drupal 6 (whichI did myself).
Then others started to maintain and populate the current (old Version
4 upgraded) Drupal which cannot be upgraded but must have all the
content migrated, and I got involved and challenged with other issues.

So, again, I am limited with what is available from the PLUG, or use
my own resources (like phreakonaleash and Tuna and others do (Ryan
with his wordpress for the meeting minutes, etc.)

Coordinated project management effort and buy in from "the steering
committee" is needed, I suppose.

In the meantime could someone unblock the URL referrer for obnosis.com
so all the promotion I have done this past 18 months is not for nil?

[Alan Dayley]

Hans has the control over the PLUG DNS. I no longer even know the
root password on the PLUG server at Deru. I know enough about A
records and referrers to be dangerous but have not touched such
controls for PLUG ever.

I hope your situation can be corrected, Lisa.

Alan

Post by Lisa Kachold
I used to setup and promote PLUG (and ABLEconf) events (all these
months) via my DNS for PLUG and entered various EASYURLS to graphics,
etc. that were used to promote the groups or events.
Now suddenly URL referrers are not allowed from obnosis.com even if
use an A record, or CNAME rather than a webhop.
Other domains (I work for/or with) still seem to work with/to
plug.phoenix.az.us?
Is this a bug or a feature?  I mean if I was blocked for high hit
traffic, that's a good thing?
I don't have to use my domain name, but for a long time I had
insufficient access for support for the PLUG on the site and needed
places for files, presentation materials, graphics and historical
materials.  I setup a drupal 6 with OpenID  on 110mb.com but they kept
crashing it and I moved everything to a better hosting provider
concentrating on rebuilding the current security challenged debian
server and upgrading to Drupal 6 (whichI did myself).
Then others started to maintain and populate the current (old Version
4 upgraded) Drupal which cannot be upgraded but must have all the
content migrated, and I got involved and challenged with other issues.
So, again, I am limited with what is available from the PLUG, or use
my own resources (like phreakonaleash and Tuna and others do (Ryan
with his wordpress for the meeting minutes, etc.)
Coordinated project management effort and buy in from "the steering
committee" is needed, I suppose.
In the meantime could someone unblock the URL referrer for obnosis.com
so all the promotion I have done this past 18 months is not for nil?
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[Lisa Kachold]

Well,

A quick Change with DYNDNS changed it. Don't know how or why, but
it's working now.

And Alan, it would be in a Layer 3.5/4 switch, or a mod_security or
other IDS setting for URI filtering at the Deru NOC, not the PLUG DNS
or server.

But thanks for the response, Alan. Have fun at BarCamp today!

Hans has the control over the PLUG DNS.  I no longer even know the
root password on the PLUG server at Deru.  I know enough about A
records and referrers to be dangerous but have not touched such
controls for PLUG ever.
I hope your situation can be corrected, Lisa.
Alan

Post by Lisa Kachold
I used to setup and promote PLUG (and ABLEconf) events (all these
months) via my DNS for PLUG and entered various EASYURLS to graphics,
etc. that were used to promote the groups or events.
Now suddenly URL referrers are not allowed from obnosis.com even if
use an A record, or CNAME rather than a webhop.
Other domains (I work for/or with) still seem to work with/to
plug.phoenix.az.us?
Is this a bug or a feature?  I mean if I was blocked for high hit
traffic, that's a good thing?
I don't have to use my domain name, but for a long time I had
insufficient access for support for the PLUG on the site and needed
places for files, presentation materials, graphics and historical
materials.  I setup a drupal 6 with OpenID  on 110mb.com but they kept
crashing it and I moved everything to a better hosting provider
concentrating on rebuilding the current security challenged debian
server and upgrading to Drupal 6 (whichI did myself).
Then others started to maintain and populate the current (old Version
4 upgraded) Drupal which cannot be upgraded but must have all the
content migrated, and I got involved and challenged with other issues.
So, again, I am limited with what is available from the PLUG, or use
my own resources (like phreakonaleash and Tuna and others do (Ryan
with his wordpress for the meeting minutes, etc.)
Coordinated project management effort and buy in from "the steering
committee" is needed, I suppose.
In the meantime could someone unblock the URL referrer for obnosis.com
so all the promotion I have done this past 18 months is not for nil?
--
http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html
[phone]
[phone] www.obnosis.com
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[Alex Dean]

Post by Lisa Kachold
Coordinated project management effort and buy in from "the steering
committee" is needed, I suppose.

I don't think it is. Nobody is in charge, so go for it if you want to
do things differently. What resources do you need that you currently
do not have?

alex

[Ryan Rix]

Post by Lisa Kachold
So, again, I am limited with what is available from the PLUG, or use
my own resources (like phreakonaleash and Tuna and others do (Ryan
with his wordpress for the meeting minutes, etc.)

I do those as a "fill in my free time" type of things -- you'll notice WSM
didn't get one this month because I was busy; I don't want to have them
specifically sponsored by PLUG/hosted on PLUG sort of thing, if this is what
you meant...
--
Ryan Rix
(623)-826-0051

Fortune:
The computer is to the information industry roughly what the
central power station is to the electrical industry.
-- Peter Drucker

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[Lisa Kachold]

Post by Ryan Rix

Post by Lisa Kachold
So, again, I am limited with what is available from the PLUG, or use
my own resources (like phreakonaleash and Tuna and others do (Ryan
with his wordpress for the meeting minutes, etc.)

I do those as a "fill in my free time" type of things -- you'll notice WSM
didn't get one this month because I was busy; I don't want to have them
specifically sponsored by PLUG/hosted on PLUG sort of thing, if this is what
you meant...

Actually, I love your page on Wordpress! I think you guys are more
advanced than sliced bread.

I would actually like to see you all given complete creative
disgression over the PLUG site!
I would like to see everyone able to add content like what you do on
wordpress to sections on the PLUG site.
I would like to see:

a) tee shirt designs (and sales portal)
b) file sharing links (even over to scribd or wherever)
c) Youtube links from regular sessions
d) photo section

I know you guys would use a ton of diskspace,but hey a terrabyte is how much?

Post by Ryan Rix
--
Ryan Rix
(623)-826-0051
The computer is to the information industry roughly what the
central power station is to the electrical industry.
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[Ryan Rix]

Post by Lisa Kachold
Actually, I love your page on Wordpress! I think you guys are more
advanced than sliced bread.

My neglected and abused page ;) It's been assaulted by XML-RPC from lekhonee
all night now...

Post by Lisa Kachold
I would actually like to see you all given complete creative
disgression over the PLUG site!
I would like to see everyone able to add content like what you do on
wordpress to sections on the PLUG site.
a) tee shirt designs (and sales portal)

Cafepress anyone? ;) Let 'the people' upload their own ideas and the profit
can go to sponsoring events, getting PLUG's name out there, and more.
Certain users will most likely complain about it, but we were talking in -
discuss about having dues and other things to improve PLUG's footprint, this
could be one way that the community could do that with little to no real
'dues.'

Post by Lisa Kachold
b) file sharing links (even over to scribd or wherever)
c) Youtube links from regular sessions

That's an interesting thought; what if we recorded stamtisches and meetings
and uploaded them to youtube, along with ODP slides of the presentations?
Hans could put a camera in the 20 dufflebags full of Mob victims he takes to
the meetings, and just put it on a tripod before the show started. Or
someone else could.

Post by Lisa Kachold
d) photo section

Mike Schwartz has quite a few photos from WSM's, he takes a few every time,
imo. Some are on the facebook page, or his profile, and there are probably
more.

Post by Lisa Kachold
I know you guys would use a ton of diskspace,but hey a terrabyte is how much?

:)
--
Ryan Rix
(623)-826-0051

Fortune:
Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.
-- Thomas Jefferson

http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash
XMPP: ***@gmail.com | MSN: ***@yahoo.com
AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash
IRC: ***@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and
countless other FOSS channels.

[Lisa Kachold]

I think cafe press is unpopular. Other "foss" sites are available.

Not to mention we could create a one button reminder for calender
events (but it requires completing the drupal upgrade [and we WANT to
do that]; all the work is done, expect for migraing the EXISTING
content to the new install drup).

6 allows for OpenID and a who shebangful of new toys and features.

I just want to USE the SOURCE man - the site could do that, nes pa?

Of course it's going to require a COMMITTEE action, planning and group
endeavor, and a few people are emotionally attached to it as is.

But we could have a project page for each event, with role based
access for sub-admins or volunteers, who can change content -
questionnaires, databases of past events, searchable to links of
presentations.

I have camera recorded more than a few HackFests. Youtube has the
ones released by the staff giving them - I have a DVD camera.

WASTED site, without updates to Facebook and twitter from user pages
about upcoming events each person is RSVP'd to (to allow for
planning), It's just SAD.

(Now don't get me started on PLUG non-profit status...)

Post by Ryan Rix

Post by Lisa Kachold
Actually, I love your page on Wordpress! I think you guys are more
advanced than sliced bread.

My neglected and abused page ;) It's been assaulted by XML-RPC from lekhonee
all night now...

Post by Lisa Kachold
I would actually like to see you all given complete creative
disgression over the PLUG site!
I would like to see everyone able to add content like what you do on
wordpress to sections on the PLUG site.
a) tee shirt designs (and sales portal)

Cafepress anyone? ;) Let 'the people' upload their own ideas and the profit
can go to sponsoring events, getting PLUG's name out there, and more.
Certain users will most likely complain about it, but we were talking in -
discuss about having dues and other things to improve PLUG's footprint, this
could be one way that the community could do that with little to no real
'dues.'

Post by Lisa Kachold
b) file sharing links (even over to scribd or wherever)
c) Youtube links from regular sessions

That's an interesting thought; what if we recorded stamtisches and meetings
and uploaded them to youtube, along with ODP slides of the presentations?
Hans could put a camera in the 20 dufflebags full of Mob victims he takes to
the meetings, and just put it on a tripod before the show started. Or
someone else could.

Post by Lisa Kachold
d) photo section

Mike Schwartz has quite a few photos from WSM's, he takes a few every time,
imo. Some are on the facebook page, or his profile, and there are probably
more.

Post by Lisa Kachold
I know you guys would use a ton of diskspace,but hey a terrabyte is how much?

:)
--
Ryan Rix
(623)-826-0051
Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.
-- Thomas Jefferson
http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash
AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash
countless other FOSS channels.
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[Alan Dayley]

Sounds like there is a team forming here! Great!

As is obvious, my direct involvement with PLUG is nearly non-existent.
My life has shifted and I decided to go in some new directions. My
love of Linux/FS/OSS and PLUG has not waned, however. At the least I
am a cheerleader for this flow of ideas and energy!

For my vote on the Steering Committee, for what that counts, I say "Go and do!"

My suggestion would be to document these ideas about the website and
other things, right here in this email list if you like, and then
schedule a meeting about it. In person meeting would be preferred, I
think. Make sure Hans can be there, hash out the finalities, order of
implementation and go for it!

Alan

I think cafe press is unpopular.  Other "foss" sites are available.
Not to mention we could create a one button reminder for calender
events (but it requires completing the drupal upgrade [and we WANT to
do that]; all the work is done, expect for migraing the EXISTING
content to the new install drup).
6 allows for OpenID and a who shebangful of new toys and features.
I just want to USE the SOURCE man - the site could do that, nes pa?
Of course it's going to require a COMMITTEE action, planning and group
endeavor, and a few people are emotionally attached to it as is.
But we could have a project page for each event, with role based
access for sub-admins or volunteers, who can change content -
questionnaires, databases of past events, searchable to links of
presentations.
I have camera recorded more than a few HackFests.  Youtube has the
ones released by the staff giving them - I have a DVD camera.
WASTED site, without updates to Facebook and twitter from user pages
about upcoming events each person is RSVP'd to (to allow for
planning),  It's just SAD.
(Now don't get me started on PLUG non-profit status...)

Post by Ryan Rix

Actually, I love your page on Wordpress!  I think you guys are more
advanced than sliced bread.

My neglected and abused page ;) It's been assaulted by XML-RPC from lekhonee
all night now...

I would actually like to see you all given complete creative
disgression over the PLUG site!
I would like to see everyone able to add content like what you do on
wordpress to sections on the PLUG site.
a) tee shirt designs (and sales portal)

Cafepress anyone? ;) Let 'the people' upload their own ideas and the profit
can go to sponsoring events, getting PLUG's name out there, and more.
Certain users will most likely complain about it, but we were talking in -
discuss about having dues and other things to improve PLUG's footprint, this
could be one way that the community could do that with little to no real
'dues.'

b) file sharing links (even over to scribd or wherever)
c) Youtube links from regular sessions

That's an interesting thought; what if we recorded stamtisches and meetings
and uploaded them to youtube, along with ODP slides of the presentations?
Hans could put a camera in the 20 dufflebags full of Mob victims he takes to
the meetings, and just put it on a tripod before the show started. Or
someone else could.

d) photo section

Mike Schwartz has quite a few photos from WSM's, he takes a few every time,
imo. Some are on the facebook page, or his profile, and there are probably
more.

I know you guys would use a ton of diskspace,but hey a terrabyte is how much?

:)
--
Ryan Rix
(623)-826-0051
Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.
              -- Thomas Jefferson
http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash
AIM:  phrkonaleash                    | Yahoo: phrkonaleash
      countless other FOSS channels.
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[Joseph Sinclair]

I agree with Alan on this, get a plan together, then go make it happen.

PLUG runs the same way good OSS projects run, those with the good ideas, time, and inclination go ahead and get (great) stuff done; the rest of us just do our best to make sure they have an open space to work in (while contributing in our own ways as well, hopefully).

Post by Alan Dayley
Sounds like there is a team forming here! Great!
As is obvious, my direct involvement with PLUG is nearly non-existent.
My life has shifted and I decided to go in some new directions. My
love of Linux/FS/OSS and PLUG has not waned, however. At the least I
am a cheerleader for this flow of ideas and energy!
For my vote on the Steering Committee, for what that counts, I say "Go and do!"
My suggestion would be to document these ideas about the website and
other things, right here in this email list if you like, and then
schedule a meeting about it. In person meeting would be preferred, I
think. Make sure Hans can be there, hash out the finalities, order of
implementation and go for it!
Alan

[Ryan Rix]

Post by Alan Dayley
My suggestion would be to document these ideas about the website and
other things, right here in this email list if you like, and then
schedule a meeting about it. In person meeting would be preferred, I
think. Make sure Hans can be there, hash out the finalities, order of
implementation and go for it!

Between school and work I have little to no freetime for physical meeting,
but IRC is do-able, whenever for me. I'm willing to help out this community
as much as I can.

FOSS in the Valley needs more promotion, and I think that PLUG would be the
best way to do that promotion.
--
Ryan Rix
(623)-826-0051

Fortune:
Doctors and lawyers must go to school for years and years, often with
little sleep and with great sacrifice to their first wives.
-- Roy G. Blount, Jr.

http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash
XMPP: ***@gmail.com | MSN: ***@yahoo.com
AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash
IRC: ***@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and
countless other FOSS channels.

[Lisa Kachold]

Here's what's required:
(I don't think meetings will help any of this? We simply need 2 or
more people and NOC planning or coordinating with the Users/Members):

0) Announce downtime over a weekend. Announce that users will/(will
not) have to signup to new service or use OpenID.
1) Swap in New Drupal (either on the new server or the old [I placed
it on both]).
2) Test mail and various other functions (OpenID) or the new
calendering under new Drupal 6, add role based users, RSVP for
meetings, one click announcements to other lists or email addresses,
photos, youtube, facebook, twitter, wordpress modules.
3) Hand migrate all the content possible from the old drupal.... Since
database structures have changed radically from our upgraded version
4, We might have to lose some of the events (Hans is not keen to lose
anything) and an upgrade is not possible. Users can be migrated by
hand or asked to sign up again in step 0 during the announcement
(better to require that they signup under new stricter password
schemes).
4) Add customized graphics, backgrounds, tee shirts and other swag.
(Not cafepress - something FOSS or better yet, get our tees printed
and sell the old fashion way).

Penguin shirts
README shirts
FOSS Travel Mugs

Estimated time to complete = 12 hours two people.

Requires root access for two people
Buyin from the Committee
Determination if we are using the new server or the old debian system
so we can also swap that in during the phase in weekend.

Associated project: Non-Profit Status

(for ABLEConf and PLUG through fiscal sponsorship [see
http://foundationcenter.org/getstarted/tutorials/fiscal/index.html]):
Reference: http://www.library.pima.gov/research/guides/npstarting.php

So eventually we might be listed here:
http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/fundingsources/gtio.html

Requires Incorporation:

Attorney should review our paperwork:
Our organization would qualify for free legal assistance from the
Southern Arizona Legal Aid. Call 623-9465 for details.

Court Costs:

ARIZONA
CORPORATION COMMISSION
CORPORATIONS DIVISION
SCHEDULE OF FEES
FOR CORPORATIONS
Pursuant to A.R.S.
§§10-122 and 10-3122
(Fees are Non
– Refundable)
Type of Filing
Regular Expedited

Filing Filing
Articles of Incorporation (Domestic Business Profit)

$60.00 $95.00
Form(s) CF0042, CF0022 and (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Articles of Incorporation (Domestic Non-profit)
Form(s) Tax Exempt CF0041 or Non Tax Exempt CF004A, CF0001 & (CFCVLR Submission

$40.00 $75.00
Sheet)
Application for Authority (Foreign profit)

$175.00 $210.00
Form(s) Profit CF0024, CF0022 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Application for Authority to Conduct Affairs (Foreign non-profit)

$175.00 $210.00
Form(s) CF0060, CF0001 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Articles of Correction (Domestic/Foreign - Profit/Non-profit)

$25.00 $60.00
Form(s) CF0035 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Articles of Domestication (Domestic/Foreign - Profit/Non-profit)
Form(s) Profit CF0036, Non Profit (Tax Exempt) CF0036A or

$100.00 $135.00
Non Profit (Non-Tax Exempt) CF0036B & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Amendment of Articles of Incorporation (Domestic Business)

$25.00 $60.00
Form(s) Profit CF0040 or Non Profit CF0038 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Certificate of Designation (for Business Corporation)

$25.00 $60.00
Form(s) CF0044 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Restatement of Articles of Incorporation w/Amendment of Articles (Non Profit)

$25.00 $60.00
Form CF0045 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Application for New Authority (for Foreign Corporation)
Form(s) Foreign Business Profit CF0026 or Foreign Non Profit CF0061 & (CFCVLR

$175.00 $210.00
Submission Sheet)
Articles of Merger or Share Exchange (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
$100.00 $135.00
Penalty for Foreign Corporations that fail to file the following documents with
the Commission: (amendment, restated articles that include an
amendment or merger and

$100.00 $135.00
articles of merger within 60 days of filing date in the Domicile State
or Jurisdiction)
Application for Name Reservation

$10.00 $45.00
Form CF0059 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Transfer a Name Reservation
$10.00 $45.00
Application for Name Registration (for Foreign Corporation)

$10.00 $45.00
Form CF0057 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Application for Renewal of a Registered Name (for Foreign Corporation)

$10.00 $45.00
Form CF0037 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Use of Indistinguishable Name/Simultaneous Filing
$10.00 $45.00
Articles of Dissolution (Domestic Business Profit/Non-profit)
Form(s) Profit CF0030 or Non Profit CF0034 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
$25.00 $60.00
Articles of Dissolution by Incorporators or Initial Directors (Domestic
Profit/Non-profit) Form(s) Profit CF0029 or Non Profit CF0028 &
(CFCVLR Submission

$25.00 $60.00
Sheet)
Application for Withdrawal (Foreign Corporation)

$25.00 $60.00
Form(s) Profit CF0025 or CF0025A or CF0025B & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Articles of Revocation of Dissolution (Domestic)

$25.00 $60.00
Form(s) Profit CF0031 or Non Profit CF0027 & (CFCVLR Submission Sheet)
Reinstatement following Administrative Dissolution (does not include other

$100.00 $135.00
fees and penalties that may be due from a Business Corporation)
Reinstatement following Administrative Dissolution (does not include other

$25.00 $60.00
fees and penalties that may be due from a Non-Profit Corporation)
Certificate of Good Standing
$10.00 $45.00
Certified Document (Corporate Records)
$5.00 + .50 per page
Service of Process on the Commission
$25.00

Requires EIN number
Requires Application to IRS for NonProfit status
Requires Annual reporting to IRS and form 1023/1024 user fee of $150.00

It's all easy to do, really, taken step by step.

Post by Ryan Rix

Post by Alan Dayley
My suggestion would be to document these ideas about the website and
other things, right here in this email list if you like, and then
schedule a meeting about it.  In person meeting would be preferred, I
think.  Make sure Hans can be there, hash out the finalities, order of
implementation and go for it!

Between school and work I have little to no freetime for physical meeting,
but IRC is do-able, whenever for me. I'm willing to help out this community
as much as I can.
FOSS in the Valley needs more promotion, and I think that PLUG would be the
best way to do that promotion.
--
Ryan Rix
(623)-826-0051
Doctors and lawyers must go to school for years and years, often with
little sleep and with great sacrifice to their first wives.
               -- Roy G. Blount, Jr.
http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash
AIM:  phrkonaleash                    | Yahoo: phrkonaleash
     countless other FOSS channels.
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[der.hans]

Post by Alan Dayley
My suggestion would be to document these ideas about the website and
other things, right here in this email list if you like, and then
schedule a meeting about it. In person meeting would be preferred, I
think. Make sure Hans can be there, hash out the finalities, order of
implementation and go for it!

Actually, I explicitly don't need to be there. That's good as I likely
can't be there, not even in IRC at this point.

PLUG needs to maintain the web site.

Generally my only input is that we should have a default theme that is
dynamic width as fixed width pages are bad :).

I do think it's foolish to just build a new web site every couple of years
and think we need a CMS that allows updates without wiping out our history
and all of the pages that have been linked from all over the place.

My vote is only one of many.

While I am one of the few who can arrange time to access the physical servers
at Deru, I have not been involved in maintaining the servers.

Alan and Brian set the servers up in the Deru datacenter. Other than that
I don't know who has access. I believe it's just the 3 of us at this
point. I do need to maintain the ability to get access, but someone else
should be managing the access.

It should be a short list and we should explicitly know who's on the list.
We need to do that out of respect to Deru. Deru is donating services,
let's make it easy for Deru and not cause extra work over there.

I'm not certain I've ever seen the current servers. I probably did at some
point when Brian was showing me something else at Sequoia, but I'm not
sure. I think I saw the one Alan donated when he brought it to a meeting
to hand over to Brian.

ciao,

der.hans

[Alex Dean]

Post by der.hans

Post by Alan Dayley
My suggestion would be to document these ideas about the website and
other things, right here in this email list if you like, and then
schedule a meeting about it. In person meeting would be preferred, I
think. Make sure Hans can be there, hash out the finalities, order of
implementation and go for it!

Actually, I explicitly don't need to be there. That's good as I likely
can't be there, not even in IRC at this point.
PLUG needs to maintain the web site.

Lisa's repeatedly offered to take the PLUG website in a lot of new
directions, and pour all sorts of energy into it. I say give her the
access she needs, and let her go to it.

alex

[der.hans]

Post by Alex Dean

Post by der.hans
PLUG needs to maintain the web site.

Lisa's repeatedly offered to take the PLUG website in a lot of new
directions, and pour all sorts of energy into it. I say give her the access
she needs, and let her go to it.

She's had that access for months :).

She has said that drupal and our data can't be updated.

http://pingv.com/blog/alasda/2008/drupal-upgrade-tip-converting-event-module-cck-date

http://drupal.org/project/flexiconvert

There are other documents that might be better. Those two look like
they'll take care of the two data types we need to handle.

ciao,

der.hans

[Lisa Kachold]

You and Brian turned over a server to me that I built up after finding
BIOS unable to determine MASTER drive due to missing motherboard
pinout short post.

That was built up as a replacement for the current server?

I still don't see a solution here on how to proceed. And it's been
more than a few years for the server. Further other various security
issues were reported that per CERT standards would indicate a rebuild?
But my voice is only one. I am overtasked as well, and I can't do it
all myself, especially without support.

Post by der.hans

Post by Alan Dayley
My suggestion would be to document these ideas about the website and
other things, right here in this email list if you like, and then
schedule a meeting about it. In person meeting would be preferred, I
think. Make sure Hans can be there, hash out the finalities, order of
implementation and go for it!

Actually, I explicitly don't need to be there. That's good as I likely
can't be there, not even in IRC at this point.
PLUG needs to maintain the web site.
Generally my only input is that we should have a default theme that is
dynamic width as fixed width pages are bad :).
I do think it's foolish to just build a new web site every couple of years
and think we need a CMS that allows updates without wiping out our history
and all of the pages that have been linked from all over the place.
My vote is only one of many.
While I am one of the few who can arrange time to access the physical servers
at Deru, I have not been involved in maintaining the servers.
Alan and Brian set the servers up in the Deru datacenter. Other than that
I don't know who has access. I believe it's just the 3 of us at this
point. I do need to maintain the ability to get access, but someone else
should be managing the access.
It should be a short list and we should explicitly know who's on the list.
We need to do that out of respect to Deru. Deru is donating services,
let's make it easy for Deru and not cause extra work over there.
I'm not certain I've ever seen the current servers. I probably did at some
point when Brian was showing me something else at Sequoia, but I'm not
sure. I think I saw the one Alan donated when he brought it to a meeting
to hand over to Brian.
ciao,
der.hans
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